Dean, many of your models have won regional and national contests. Since they require so much effort, do you find that you have less interest in other kinds of structures? No, I like to build structures and I like to build big structures, and that's the one, of course, nice thing about steel mills, that they're big and they're high. I'll say, what do you get out of the hobby? Well, you know I could say that I want to serve my fellow man or my fellow hobbyist, and I guess I do. I've gotten so much out of the hobby and maybe I've gotten a lot out of the hobby because I have given a lot to the hobby, of myself and my time and everything. I've been very fortunate. I've gotten all three of their major awards, their two Presidentials, Honorary Life Membership, Distinguished Service. And I'm very proud of those. National Model Railroad Association. Yes. I'm the national contest chairman. I've been able to surround myself with great people. You've been doing that. You've been contest chairman since Gordon Varney bought his first casting machine, I think. Well not quite, but pretty close. Yeah. But it's just been a lot of fun and I think it's the people. I'm retired, Allen, and I don't really miss the work, but I miss the people. It must be fun as Contest Chairman, seeing firsthand the latest developments in techniques, the sliding double hung windows and Z scale, for example, those kinds of things. What do you think about all these people who don't have layouts but are super, super modelers and well, rivet counter kind of guys? It's kind of putting you on the spot. What do you think about those kinds of guys? We need the rivet counters. We really do much as I, and I shouldn't say I hate to admit it, we need rivet counters. We need people to set goals. Do you think the national contest that the NMRA holds have advanced the state-of-the-art in the hobby or the state of design? I think we've helped an awful lot. Maybe not with a specific item, but they see the idea and then say, oh, well, I wonder if I did this and then the phone rings, Dean, could you help with this? Or could you help with that? And this makes you really feel great.
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